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Re: how much of that is tied to your race? (none / 0)

That's disingenuous. The dogwhistle allegations might have come from Obama supporters (not the Obama campaign mind you) but that doesn't mean there wasn't a racial overtone in the statements of Bill, Cuomo etc. You say it was a dishonest move. I say, and so do millions of others, that these original statements were inflammatory.

We can argue endlessly about the 'who started it' but you have to realise that it's deeply problematic to accuse the 'alleged' victim of racism of race baiting. Can't you see the problem? In terms of sexual politics it's like a rapist saying because a woman was dressed in a sexual way 'she was asking for it'.

If you can't understand the sensibilities, and sensitivities you're dealing with here in racial politics, then I don't know what to say. Fortunately there are a lot of women who see BOTH sensitivities, and a careful not to blame the victim for an attack.

As for the rapprochement between Hillary and Obama supporters: I've said it before and I'll say it again. It needs to happen. Neither candidate can win without the bulk of the other's supporters. And while it's all very good you saying 'I haven't convinced you' or I 'ought to reign my dialogue in', Little Otter, I've seen many inflammatory remarks you've made to Obama supporters. Despite dozens of them trying to build bridges a couple of weeks ago, the net result was a rec list filled with Ayers and Elitism diaries (a mixture of Rovian smear by association and Nixonian checkers' speeches). Where was your attempt to build bridges?

I've met many decent Hillary supporters with whom I've had a constructive if sometimes testy dialogue. But there is a hard core here who would prefer the democratic nominee fails in the fall were it to be Obama. I hope you're not one of them. And if you can take assertive dialogue then wow, you sure can dish it out.  

Can't we make up and be friends?


by brit on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:07:40 PM EST
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Re: how much of that is tied to your race? (none / 0)

How has Obama been the victim of race baiting by the Clintons? Evidence please. I see no evidence of that, nor do I see anyway the Clintons could benefit from racism. In fact, the most likely beneficiary of an accusasation of racism is Obama - because we're Democrats and we oppose racism.

Please - show me evidence that racist remarks from the Clintons have hurt, or could have hurt Obama, in any fashion. I've yet to see anyone point out a strategy, whereby a white candidate who has worked their entire life on behalf of African American communities, can now benefit from racist rhetoric.

Obama is a guy with no resume to speak of and no real accomplishments to his name. He's a guy who knows how to run rough campaigns and that's about it. He doesn't do stuff. He doesn't get stuff done. So he can't run on his resume or his accomplisments - he can only run as the anti-Clinton. And that's what he's done. So, his campaign accuses her of racism, and peels off a big segment of her supporters. His supporters accuse her of being a corporatist, and pro-war. They entertain themselves on his dime by referring to her as a "fucking whore". His coarse-mouthed wife thinks its funny to talk about scratching Bill Clinton's eyes out and yet is so inferior, so irresponsible as a mother to allow her daughters to be exposed to the racist and misogynist rantings of Jeremiah Wright. Hillary Clinton may never have been called a nigger, but she's been called a fucking whore and Obama supporters found that entertaining. That moment pretty much encapsulates how I think Obama and his supporters see this race.  

Obama has to earn people's vote and the fact that he didn't call a press conference with 24 hours to distance himself from that Rhodes diatribe pretty much means he's okay with it happening on his behalf.

Should I assume that the first time a right wing nationally known talk show host refers to Obama and wife in similarly discriminatory tones, you guys are going to look the other way?


by Little Otter on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:45:13 PM EST
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Re: how much of that is tied to your race? (none / 0)

Your foul mouthed, incoherent and unsubstantiated rant has just exposed you as someone beyond reason - intolerant and completely prejudiced.

And the hypocrisy of calling me out for 'reigning my dialogue in'

Good luck with persuading people with that kind of rant. No wonder your argument, and your candidate, is losing badly.


by brit on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:52:29 PM EST
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Re: how much of that is tied to your race? (none / 0)

Ahhh, truth hurts, doesn't it? Your reaction pretty much validates everything I said. And that's why obama isn't going to get the Clinton votes that most Democrats could rely on; because none of you - including your candidate and his coarse-mouthed wife (and yes, joking about scratching out the eyes of the only Democratic president to win reelection in 50 years is coarse,  immature and trashy) - have the minimum level of integrity to deal with what's transpired against Clinton in this race. All of you have been willing to betray Democratic principles right and left to see this person get the nomination.

You aren't getting it - you have to earn out votes and we feel betrayed. And if we feel betrayed by your candidate, we won't vote for him.


by Little Otter on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 04:20:28 PM EST
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Re: how much of that is tied to your race? (none / 0)

You've been betrayed by Hillary. That's why you're having problems facing the truth


by brit on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 04:41:41 PM EST
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Re: how much of that is tied to your race? (none / 0)

Oh such an Angry Negro she is. We're all ANGRY NEGROES!!!! How do we dial it down!!?!!


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:47:05 PM EST
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