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About that trip to Bosnia

by RLMcCauley, Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 04:24:38 PM EST

Hillary Clinton has claimed that her plane came under fire when she was landing at the Air Force base in Tuzla.

She has claimed that she was supposed to have a welcoming ceremony at the airport but instead they hustled her off to the cars.

She claimed that the place was too dangerous for Bill Clinton to go to.

People may recall that Sinbad disputed her story.

So what really happened?

A video of her arrival at the airport shows that she had that meet and greet and she doesn't appear to be sprinting to any cars or flustered at all. Neither does her daughter.

A photo was taken of Bill Clinton at Tuzla on Jan 13, 1996 - prior to Hillary ever going.

A reporter who covered the story and reviewed 100 stories about the event doesn't recall any such thing taking place nor does any other story reference the event.

So what happened? I know this is a place full of HRC supporters so I'm sure someone out there can find something to corroborate her claims about the sniper fire, the canceled meet & greet and the sprint to the safety of the cars right?

I will gladly update with evidence corroborating her story. UPDATE 1: Someone pointed out that perhaps it was more dangerous in March than in January. Fair enough. The same individual said that Togo West backed up her story. However, Togo West had no recollection of sniper fire.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, Bosnia, Truthiness (all tags)

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Truely a valid concern (none / 0)

As we decide on who should be the next president of the United States I think honesty must be a chief concern.

Hillary should face tough questions on this, because we don't want to turn the future of the party over to another potential-perjurer.

Of course, once she provides proof that she has been totally honest on this that concern will be put to rest.

by furiousxgeorge on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 04:32:49 PM EST

We? No one forced her to tell a story that is the (2.00 / 2)

opposite of what happened - apparently.

As Clintonistas are fond of saying, the GOP will raise it in the GE so it might as well come out now.

My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!

by RLMcCauley on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 04:35:50 PM EST

Re: About that trip to Bosnia (1.66 / 3)

I think she answered your question - there were evasive manuervers and she was moved up front. You have no way of knowing where that greeting ceremony is taking place.

I will point out that Togo West backs Clinton's story as well. The fact that Bill had been there before is irrelevant. An area that's dangerous one month, may not be the next.

No one cares what Sinbad says - it's pathetic that Obama supporters are really taking the word of a comedian who has endorsed Obama as gospel truth. And the news report doesn't say where that greeting ceremony is on the base. Until you have that answer, you got nothing.

You guys are really getting pathetic.

by Little Otter on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 04:36:19 PM EST

Re: About that trip to Bosnia (2.00 / 2)

If you actually find evidence that the plane was fired on that they didn't have the meet and greet as planned I'll certainly post it.

My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!

by RLMcCauley on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 04:38:59 PM EST
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Re: About that trip to Bosnia (2.00 / 2)

'Hillary Clinton and daughter Chelsea, right, during the greeting ceremony at the Tuzla military airport, Bosnia, March 25, 1996.' Washington Post 21 Mar 08.

This photo was taken on the tarmac at Tuzla. If there is any 'running for safety with our heads down' it is happening now, not then.

by Shaun Appleby on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 04:55:10 PM EST
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Re: About that trip to Bosnia (none / 0)

Yes, and you know beyond any shadow of a doubt this is the same part of the airbase where Clinton landed? If so, how do you know that? Go ahead - prove that this meet and greet could only have taken place immediately upon landing and only where her plane landed. Until you can establish that, all you have is video footage that might, or might not, contradict her version of events.

And do you really think anyone undecided is going to be impacted by this? Isn't this just like the Republicans going after Gore on his FEMA meeting in Texas?

http://www.gargaro.com/algore.html
I was there with James Lee Witt...oh, wait.... In the Presidential debate on October 3, 2000, Governor George W. Bush gave credit to the Federal Emergency Management Service (FEMA) for their work in Texas during fires and floods in Parker County. Vice President Al Gore said "I accompanied James Lee Witt down to Texas when those fires broke out." Carl Cameron, of Fox News first reported that Gore had not, in fact, been to Texas with Witt to look at the damage in Parker County. Gore WAS in Texas, but FEMA officials said Witt never went to Texas to deal with the 1998 fires.
To say that he was traveling with Witt implies strongly that Gore was traveling to a location in an official capacity. Gore was on his way to a fundraiser, and happened to run into FEMA people at the airport. The purpose of his trip was to attend a fundraiser, NOT to see the damage, as Gore implies. While Gore has accompanied Witt on other occasions, Gore didn't on this occasion, AND the purpose of this particular trip wasn't even connected with the disasters. Some claim Gore just "forgot" that Witt wasn't with him on this occasion... did Gore also forget the purpose of this particular trip?
"If James Lee was there before or after, then you know, I got that wrong then," Gore said on ABC's Good Morning America on October 4, 2000.
(Source: New York Post, October 5, 2000 "Gore's nose is growing again")

by Little Otter on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:39:29 PM EST
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Uh. She said it didn't take place (none / 0)

and that they rushed her into the car. There are numerous accounts of it not happening and only 1 account of it happening.

You think the GOP won't point this out or something?

My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!

by RLMcCauley on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 07:05:38 PM EST
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Keep your Kevlar on. (none / 0)

Ordnance flying left, right and center here, best keep your head down. Dangerous work, but totally necessary! You may get a medal or at least get elected to something.

by ReillyDiefenbach on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:30:08 PM EST
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Re: Keep your Kevlar on. (none / 0)

hahahaha

My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!

by RLMcCauley on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 09:36:39 PM EST
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Re: Uh. She said it didn't take place (none / 0)

I'm sure they will, but I'd rather deal with this than Jeremiah Wright or Rezko. She simply said it didn't happen in relation to the immediate - not that it never happened.

by Little Otter on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:20:39 AM EST
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Rezko isn't close to being as bad (none / 0)

as her donors so it's a non-issue. The Trib is satisfied with that after Obama answered every question of theirs.

As far as Wright goes, the amount of disinformation spread about him (i.e. he said 9/11 was "chickens coming home to roost") can be dealt with.

The press hasn't even started to examine Clinton's association with the right-wing Family, but a book is coming out about them this summer so they will.

My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!

by RLMcCauley on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:39:27 AM EST
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The bold caption is a direct quote from the Washington Post, as indicated. What more do you want? How many greeting ceremonies were there?

by Shaun Appleby on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:11:15 PM EST
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There's a lot of irrational thinking going on (none / 0)

right now for some reason.

My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!

by RLMcCauley on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 10:33:46 PM EST
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So, in Obamaville a greeting ceremony can't be canceled and moved for logistical reasons? How utterly bizarre. I've seen greeting ceremonies canceled and moved and I wasn't' even a war zone.

by Little Otter on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:22:22 AM EST
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Her schedule says it wasn't. (none / 0)

Do you have evidence that it was?

My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!

by RLMcCauley on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:40:24 AM EST
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Re: Her schedule says it wasn't. (none / 0)

do you have evidence it wasn't? That's my point. None of us know enough about what transpired in Bosnia to be critical of her comment. You're taking the word of a comedian who has endorsed Obama over the word of Clinton and the former Secretary of Veterans Affairs. I mean, that's just pathetic.

This is just like the right going after Gore on an off the cuff comment about a trip to Texas with FEMA. That was bullshit and this is bullshit.

Could Clinton have confused a few different trips? Sure. Does that make her a liar? No, of course not. No more than Gore was lying when he said he went to Texas with James Lee Witt.

It's the lack of adult reasoning in the obama camp that is so bizarre and unhinged. So many of his supporters sound exactly like freepers in the 90s. It's really sad.

by Little Otter on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 01:54:28 AM EST
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Re: Her schedule says it wasn't. (none / 0)

Uh yeah. If you actually read the information you would too.

My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!

by RLMcCauley on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:46:46 AM EST
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Re: About that trip to Bosnia (none / 0)

You're making stuff up. The greeting occured on the tarmac at the airfield like I originally posted. Man, you are seriously grasping at straws in the face of compelling evidence. This is the kind of thing that informs others negative opinions of Hillary supporters on grounds of intellectual integrity. There are several credible accounts of this event now current in the media, read them.

by Shaun Appleby on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 12:41:51 AM EST
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I have read them and no one supporting Obama is in the position to call anyone anywhere on grounds of intellectual integrity. I mean, you guys have reduced yourself to defending racist rhetoric, misogynist rhetoric, attacking social security and pretending that Obama has a plan for universal healthcare. It's kind like Jabba the Hut complaining that Britney Spears is fat.

My point is this - and I know this is a bit too rational - none of us have enough information. Nor do we know what was said to clinton in the front area she was moved to. Do you, or does Sinbad, know for a fact that she wasn't told that there was sniper fire? Yes? No? And no, the press isn't necessarily told this stuff (my stepson, who was a Marine stationed in Iraq, has pointed out that you don't necessarily want to risk insurgents finding out when they've come close to an essential target - surely even an Obama supporter can understand that fact of war.

Could she have gotten a few events confused? Sure - it wasn't a planned statement. Does that make her a liar? No, no more than Gore was. She should be asked about it again, and then you can have a sense of what is transpiring.

You guys aren't impressive though when you take Sinbad's word as gospel. I mean, it's preposterous.

by Little Otter on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 02:01:03 AM EST
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I never mentioned Sinbad. None of us have enough information? That's an argument for obfuscation. Yes, in this case it seems we have enough information, multiple testimonies of eyewitnesses, photos, video and an abundance of contemporary news accounts. What more do you want? And so now you change the subject? I think www.hillaryis44.org has atrophied your sense of intellectual honesty over time. Your moral honesty I will leave for you to ponder yourself.

What event are you hypothesising she confused this one with? Honestly, you are almost a self-caricature.

by Shaun Appleby on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 02:07:35 AM EST
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LOL - I think you should run this story. Make a big, big deal about it. Tell everyone you know that Hillary lied and you believe Sinbad the comedian and the Washington Post (home of Sally Quinn and David Broder - the two biggest Clinton fans in the world) over the former first lady and the Secretary of Veterans Affairs. and not just that she confused events but that she DECEIVED the United States.

Embrace it. Love it. Nurture it. It's a perfect story for the Obama campaign to exemplify who and what they are.

Bon Voyage!!!

by Little Otter on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 02:31:20 AM EST
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Well, actually, I think you may have noticed it is getting a fair bit of mileage just at the moment. It was the Washington Post 'politics' headline earlier today and will certainly not be forgotten. But the real significance is that it turned out that the Empress wasn't wearing any clothes and I think you'll find that reporters will be taking a more liberal view of challenging her other assertions.

SCHIP, NAFTA, the Irish peace process, it's all getting a bit of attention and the first reviews are mixed or negative. These upcoming debates might be more interesting than they would have been otherwise.

And there is no reason for the Obama campaign to promote this narrative, the media seem to be doing fine all by themselves, thanks very much for your advice.

by Shaun Appleby on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 02:37:51 AM EST
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And your presumptive comment even an Obama supporter can understand that fact of war betrays an arrogance and lack of understanding which beggars description and could only occur when masked behind the anonymity of blog posting. You obviously have no notion of some of the things you are speaking 'authoritatively' about and have aligned yourself with a faux patriotism and GI Joe self-importance which insults your country, it's veterans and yourself, if you actually understood what military service, and sacrifice, implies.

by Shaun Appleby on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 02:24:21 AM EST
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Yes, Hillary's guilty of lying about everything and anything unless her supporters prove differently. That's what their saturday's are for--defending against any tripe RedState and detractors here dream up. After this is cleared up, there will be something in another book or paper or speech that Hillary and supporters have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. See a double standard here? Why is it important that you have "proof" that the plane was fired on? What important issue is this impinging on?

by hearthmoon on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:38:31 PM EST

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She's clearly lying about this. You think the GOP won't point out the proof? Doesn't she need to be fully vetted?

My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!

by RLMcCauley on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 07:06:28 PM EST
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Remember how Gore (none / 0)

"invented" the internet?
Actually what he really said was "I took the initiative to help create the internet", or something like that, it has been years since I read the actual quote. The point is that Gore appeared to be grand standing for accolades that he couldn't claim strictly belonged to him. Hillary "snipper fire" comment falls into that same category, only unlike Gore's grand standing, Hillary's grand standing is clearly false, and can't even in the wildest imagination be spun as something she deserves.
If Hillary wants to really be in the line of "snipper fire", I am sure there are many young men and women in the United States uniform that would be willing to trade place with her in Iraq.

My thoughts on McCain: I have no desire to let that idiot fulfill his desire to "Bomb Iran"

by Otaku Saru on Sat Mar 22, 2008 at 06:55:30 PM EST

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