Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 should drop out.

by RLMcCauley, Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:27:34 AM EST

Another super-delegate, this time an HRC supporter, states that whichever Dem is trailing at the end of the primary season should drop out - at the latest!

Rep. Barney Frank said the trailing Democratic presidential candidate should drop out of the race by no later than June 3 -- the date of the two last Democratic primaries -- even if it is the candidate he supports, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

"Probably sooner," the Massachusetts congressman added in an interview Tuesday with The Associated Press. He suggested that the trailing candidate should drop out once it became clear that candidate had no remaining practical chance of winning the nomination.

I find that interesting because by all accounts we're already at that point.

Rep. Frank also agreed with Obama but thought his choice of words was poor.

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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 shou (none / 0)

yawn.....


by colebiancardi on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:28:55 AM EST

Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 shou (none / 0)

She's not dropping out. We gay folk will get on Barney Frank's case, and get him to retract his ill advised statement. She is going until Denver, and not until all the votes are counted will this be over. Only after all the vores are counted will there be a legitimate nominee.


by 07rescue on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:30:51 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 shou (2.00 / 0)

All the votes will be in by June 3.  Hence Barney Frank's statement.


by Mostly on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:34:58 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 shou (none / 0)

"All the votes will be in by June 3.  Hence Barney Frank's statement.'

Michigan and Florida. Without them there will be no nomination for many of us, and we will vote accordingly. Period.


by 07rescue on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:10:59 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 shou (none / 0)

MI and FL aren't revoting.  Get over it.  There are not going to be any new votes to count, and their delegations will be seated once a nominee is known.


by bawbie on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:13:28 PM EST
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MI, FL are done (2.00 / 1)

As a Michigander, I thank the state party poo-baas for disenfranchising me.
Just get over it, as the man said.
by barnowl on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:16:24 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 shou (none / 0)

Seconded.


No candidacy is more important than the right to vote.
by hornplayer on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:44:25 PM EST
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You can't lump all gay folk like that (none / 0)

The gay press might be for Clinton, but gay folk in general are as varied as anyone (as we all well know, there are even Republican gays).

There isn't some logical flaw in the minds of gay people that makes them think that going to Denver without a nominee is a suicidal idea.  That's limited to a very small subset of people (which includes straights, gays, bis, transgendered and asexuals).


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:45:45 AM EST
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Re: You can't lump all gay folk like that (none / 0)

"The gay press might be for Clinton"

And the Gay political clubs, and the gay activists... anyone with smarts and anything on the ball, who might be interested in LGBT rights.


by 07rescue on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:12:31 PM EST
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Re: You can't lump all gay folk like that (none / 0)

will support the wife of the president who passed DOMA, and the one dem who won't repeal DOMA?

Nice.


by bawbie on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:14:12 PM EST
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Re: You can't lump all gay folk like that (none / 0)

you should educate yourself on DOMA. Here is a start

http://mydd.com/story/2008/4/10/205827/9 14


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:34:03 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 shou (none / 0)

You think that getting on Barney Frank's case will change anything?

Well, I've met him and I've followed his career for many years and believe me, the man is tough as nails.  If you try to push him, he'll hold his ground quite tenaciously and he may get in your face and call you out.  Believe me, I've seen him do that sort of thing. He also happens to be one of the smartest members of the House - and he knows it.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:47:16 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 shou (none / 0)

Barney Frank will listen.


by 07rescue on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:13:10 PM EST
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If you haven't contacted him already, (none / 0)

you're bluffing.  Here call him up:(202) 225-5931.
I'm sure he'd love to hear from you.
by haystax calhoun on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:07:58 PM EST
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and one of the hardest working (none / 0)


by barnowl on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:17:47 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 shou (none / 0)

Excuse me......I am a gay man and take offense at your comment....I didn't gerealize that ALL gay people are in lock step with each other.....There are PLENTY of gay Obama supporters so don't pretend to speak for all Gay people......and somehow just because you're gay you think would have more weight with Mr. Frank?? You don't know him very well.


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:58:14 AM EST
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judas!!! (none / 0)

get back in there and march in lock step ;)


-- be excellent to each other
by kindthoughts on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:07:50 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 shou (2.00 / 0)

As Clinton needs the supers to do the exact opposite of what Frank thinks should happen it's probably something to note.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:32:12 AM EST
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so? (none / 0)

I love Barney Frank, however I trust Hillary to stay in and fight right to the convention.  Sorry, but that is just how it is this year.  It is going to be a fight for super delegates and Obama will have to fight for them also since he doesn't have enough pledged delegates to win either.


For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!
by TeresaInPa on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:31:03 AM EST

So? (2.00 / 0)

Frank is a super del. He's also a Clinton supporter.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:32:44 AM EST
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Re: so? (none / 0)


 No FA/MI vote..... no WH
Wisdom Is The Reward For Listening Over A Lifetime
by gunner on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:34:16 AM EST
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Re: so? (2.00 / 0)

Well then I guess we're all screwed.


by Mostly on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:36:05 AM EST
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Re: so? (none / 0)

Please grow up... please


by CaptMorgan on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:33:25 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 (none / 0)

Please notice he does not say trailing by pledged delegates. Frank is a Clinton supporter and would not be advancing a talking point unless he felt, at this point, that is favored Clinton.


by americanincanada on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:36:37 AM EST

Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 (2.00 / 1)

It's also possible he's more of a Democrat than a Clinton supporter.

I haven't seen any evidence that a mass of supers will go for Clinton or even think it's a good idea to go all the way to the convention. Though I've seen lots of talk of ending it before the convention.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:39:55 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 (none / 0)

I have seen lots of talk of ending it before the convention but I have not seen anyone but Obama supporters assume he has it won.

Frank is a good dem but he also is a Clinton supporter from way back. He would not be undermining her porition, PERIOD.

Where is the evidence that a mass of supers will end it for Obama right now?


by americanincanada on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:41:59 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 (none / 0)

Well since he said "probably sooner" than June 3rd it would seem he's undermining her.

Obama doesn't need a mass of supers. He just needs 1/3.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:44:46 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 (none / 0)

You clearly know very little about Barney Frank. He has big time, long time Democratic credentials and that's where his loyalty is.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:48:23 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 (none / 0)

Barney Frank is my congressman. Trust me. He doesn't hint at things......If he thought Hillary would be ahead on June 3rd, he would've said it......I think this is just a continuing pattern of SuperD's who declared VERY early when hillary was inevitable signaling that they WILL be changing their votes


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:55:18 AM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 (none / 0)

he is clearly being vague here. leading in what? If he was making some clear cut signal about Obama he would have said leading in pledged delegates. He didn't. Frank is not stupid and he knows what he said.


by americanincanada on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:06:57 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 (none / 0)

You're right, he is CLEARLY saying that the superd's
overturn the popular vote and pledged delegate leader at the peril of the Democratic Party......
"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:12:23 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 (none / 0)

he said no such thing. Stop spinning Obama talking points. Obama will not be ahead in popular vote at the end.


by americanincanada on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:19:07 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 (none / 0)

um....Obama WILL be ahead in the Poular vote unless HRC starts winning all the rest of the primaries by huge margins.....Anyway, the popular vote is a Flawed measure. It does NOT take into account caucus states and the Democratic primary is a contest for DELEGATES......It's the DELEGATES that count


"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08
by feliks on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:21:51 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 (none / 0)

She does not need to win them all by huge margins. She can be ahead in popular vote even if she loese two by 10% and one by slightly less.

You might want to go to RCP and play with their spreadsheet before you make anymore blanket statements.


by americanincanada on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:24:16 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on June 3 (none / 0)

That's not the measure. That's why there are delegates.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:28:21 PM EST
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What? (none / 0)

What does Frank mean exactly? Trailing by what on June 3rd? Pledged delegates? popular vote? Overall Delegates? He isn't making any sense. No one is dropping out of this race until there is NO possible chance to win the nomination. So the only way Hillary or Obama is getting out of the race is if the super delegates come out and publicly support someone, thus giving one of them the nomination. Until that happens, this race ain't over.  The Supers could end this race tomorrow, if they wanted too.  But they aren't.


by karajan72 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:48:35 AM EST

Re: What? (none / 0)

Well he said before June 3 and practical not possible. It's pretty apparent from the math what that means.

It sounds to me like he's suggesting someone save face...

Getting kicked to the curb by supers will not save face.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:54:46 AM EST
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Re: What? (none / 0)

The question is not if Hillary will drop out, but when. It is obvious to anyone who has run the numbers that she has no viable path to the nomination. She's apparently just praying for a miracle.


"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton
by fugazi on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:17:20 PM EST
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Re: What? (none / 0)

I'm not sure she will. She might allow herself to get forced out.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:21:53 PM EST
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Re: What? (none / 0)

[sigh] Sad for her.


"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton
by fugazi on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 01:00:06 PM EST
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Re: What? (2.00 / 1)

there is only one measure:  Delegates.  Period.


by bawbie on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:17:27 PM EST
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Re: What? (none / 0)

Delegates only count as the single measure if the candidate can get past the magic number. When supers come into play many other things factor in.


by americanincanada on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:19:48 PM EST
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Re: What? (none / 0)

Sure but they're not going to go against the delegates in this instance.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:22:27 PM EST
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Re: What? (none / 0)

They will if they want to win in November.


by americanincanada on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:23:19 PM EST
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Re: What? (none / 0)

But they know that they won't win if they do that. Too many people will sit at home.


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:27:42 PM EST
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May 20 (none / 0)

I suspect that we'll know on May 20.  After the primaries that day, if Obama has gotten at least 44% of the delegates from now until then, he'll have the unconquerable majority of pledged delegates, and most uncommitted supers will see this as an indication that they should swing to Obama.

If he has NOT gotten at least 44% of the delegates between now and then, it's a clear signal that his candidacy has somehow derailed and supers should start looking more closely at Clinton's claims of his unelectability.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:49:31 AM EST

Re: May 20 (none / 0)

44? I thought it was more like 35. Is that too low?


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:55:30 AM EST
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That's in June, I think (none / 0)

If we want to end it by May 20, it's 44%  He only needs 35% of the total remaining, but if he's not getting 44% (which is, by most estimates, where he's at in Pennsylvania) by that time, then there's something seriously wrong.

35% is indication of a losing slide, which should be looked at seriously by the supers.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:59:37 AM EST
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Re: That's in June, I think (none / 0)

Gotcha. Thanks.

Though I'm sure they'll think it through I doubt the supers are  going to go against the pledged dels, IMO. Any slide is going to be blamed on the joint Clinton/McCain attacks which is harder to defend against than just a McCain attack.  


My candidate lost fair and square. So did yours. Get over it and let's kick McSame's ass!
by RLMcCauley on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:03:11 PM EST
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Barney is just saying.... (none / 0)

what everyone's thinking.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:54:42 AM EST

Re: Barney is just saying.... (none / 0)

Agreed. Frank is sending a friendly warning to Hillary that the Supers will not back her play to overturn the delegate count after the primaries are over.


"No matter what happens, I will work for the nominee of the Democratic Party because we must win in November." -Hillary Clinton
by fugazi on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:58:38 PM EST
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Re: Barney is just saying.... (none / 0)

He's also slowly extricating himself from the political quicksand he made the mistake of walking into by jumping on Hillary's wagon early.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Wed Apr 16, 2008 at 12:19:43 AM EST
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Did you? (none / 0)

Did you just pull 44% out of your ass?  Where does that number come from in judging the viability of a candidate in the general election?  If Obama continues to lose the white working class vote in every state until June, then he has SERIOUS electability issues and the supers are not suicidal, at least i hope not.


by karajan72 on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:58:15 AM EST

Re: Did you? (none / 0)

Suicidal supers would be terrible for the party!  This is the first I've heard of this issue; why isn't there a diary about it?  Is it just democrats or are the republicans really depressed too?  Are they threatening to jump off the Washington Monument or something?  Man, that'll be messy.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:01:05 PM EST
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Here's where I got it: (none / 0)

I did the math in this diary:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/3/14613 /72103

It's a little out of date because some supers have committed since then, but it's generally accurate.

It doesn't say anything about electability in the general, it just makes the argument that the superdelegates are looking for a reason to swing one way or another in the primary.  The unassailable majority of the pledged delegates is a pretty good reason.  If he's getting less than 44%, then that admittedly might be a significant issue for the general election.


In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.
by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 12:07:18 PM EST
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Re: Clinton Supporter: Dem trailing on (none / 0)

Go Barney!  Legalize it.  Did anyone see him on Bill Maher?  God, I love that man.

Anyway, I'm glad that he's a Hillary supporter so I can be reminded that above all this rabble-rousing-racist-sexist-noyoursexis t-heyI'mnotsexist,you'reracist myDD bullshit (that I love to read, by the by), she's still a great democratic candidate and I'll certainly support her if she pulls an upset in the primaries.


John McCain is surprisingly bad for this country
by minnesotaryan on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 11:58:54 AM EST

"PROBABLY SOONER" (none / 0)

Yeah, the supes are lovin' this aren't they.  No way Clinton makes it to the convention.  If she tries, she will essentially be ignored, and then she'll be lucky to be reelected as Senator.  And you have to know that putting down the last two Dem Presidential candidates isn't winning her any friends either.  
I can't wait to hear her call out Carter after he endorses Obama.  Set your TiVo for that one!
by haystax calhoun on Tue Apr 15, 2008 at 04:19:13 PM EST


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